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LOOK at the new Enterprise from the upcoming Star Trek XI:



I think I'm getting a lil choked up.  That's just BEAUTIFUL.

Between the remastered TOS, the DS9 novel relauch, and the upcoming movie, its never been a better time to be a Trek fan.

Date: 2008-01-18 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grayjedi.livejournal.com
I marked out when I saw it.

Then I heard a couple of the retcons Abrams is shoehorning into the movie.

This is gonna be a disaster.

Date: 2008-01-18 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixastraea.livejournal.com
What retcons? I still have hope...

Date: 2008-01-18 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grayjedi.livejournal.com
1. Kirk is being painted as an incompetent student at the Academy who needed to cheat to advance (as opposed to the Kobayashi Maru, which was a display of cleverness, not stupidity and desperation).

2. The Enterprise was built at Area 51.

Date: 2008-01-18 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixastraea.livejournal.com
OK, Area 51 is stupid, but I've heard conflicting reports about Kirk's Kobayashi Maru portrayal. honestly, though, he did technically cheat. He was never inclined to lose and whos to say that it still wasn't clever, even though he found a way to beat the system?

Honestly, in most books and in the movies, I think, Kirk admits that he was a hellion of an ensign, who grew into the man he became.

Date: 2008-01-18 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mythrilsvane.livejournal.com
explaining the Kobayashi Maru = Mitochlorians?

Anyone?

Date: 2008-01-18 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixastraea.livejournal.com
No, nothing took away from the ENTIRE appeal of the Force than explaining that it was simple genetics and not talent at all. Nothing compares to that gigantic letdown.

Date: 2008-01-18 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grayjedi.livejournal.com
He did cheat on the Maru, yes. But it was never implied that Kirk was DUMB. That's where the retcon comes in. Rather then saying he was a clever guy who may have taken a couple shortcuts, he's now going to be a garden-variety mouthbreather who NEEDED to cheat (and this is the key point which I guess I kind of made confusion) all throughout Starfleet Academy. Stubborn, self-centered, abrasive, defiant ... all these things describe Kirk. But dumb ... no.

Have to disagree

Date: 2008-01-18 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mythrilsvane.livejournal.com
I'd say the best time to be a trek fan would be circa 1992. TNG was going strong, Star Trek 6 had just come out and restarted an ailing franchise after the trainwreck of "The Final Frontier", and DS9 was on the launching pad.

As it is today, Star Trek has been driven off the small screen by a rather lackluster "Enterprise," the cinema world still can't get the aftertaste of "Nemesis" out of its mouth, and I fear, after much of what I have read, the new movie will be more like ST: 90210 than Wrath of Khan. Thus I'm not holding my breath with expectation.

You are right, however, that the remastered OS is quite stunning.

Re: Have to disagree

Date: 2008-01-18 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixastraea.livejournal.com
Well, yes, but considering that they're trying to reinervate it, there is great potential here. The DS9 novels are really awesome; it feels like revisiting old friends. And perhaps its just the optimist in me, but I'm going to reserve judgment until I see the movie. The whole point of this is to show the legends BEFORE they were legends. yes, that means they're younger, and of course, it means that they wont be the badasses they came to be in TOS or even the movies. It's all about growth, and I'm looking forward to the exploration of that growth.

But yes, Nemesis was an abomination; whoever greenlit that should have been shot.

Date: 2008-01-18 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madcircleskills.livejournal.com
i saw the preview today at the movies! i squee'd and the poeple behind me gave me odd looks =p

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